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Are you enabling social injustice without knowing it?
June 29, 2019 by J Mase III Leave a Comment
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Are you enabling social injustice without knowing it? J Mase III discusses steps to effect real
change for social justice—steps that can save lives. J Mase III is a Black/trans/queer poet & educator
based in Seattle by way of Philly. As an educator, Mase has worked with community members in
the US, UK, and Canada on the needs of LGBTQIA folks in spaces such as K-12 schools, universities,
faith communities and restricted care facilities.He is founder of awQward, the �rst trans and
queer people of color talent agency.
His work has been featured on MSNBC, Essence Live, Everyday Feminism, Black Girl
Dangerous, the New York Times, Buzzfeed, the Root, theGrio, the Huf�ngton Post and more.
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[Music]
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so imagine you’re going into a store and
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when you’re going into the store you see
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a store clerk and a security guard and
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when you see them one of them doesn’t
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matter which but one of them says hello
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to you and when they say hello to you it
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comes out sort of like this like hey
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hello is that someone generally trying
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to seem friendly yes yeah
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some of y’all a little skeptical I like
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that you better forget let’s say you go
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into the story different day and so on
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this day again you go in you see a store
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clerk and a security guard and one of
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them says hello to you only this time
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when they say hello it comes out sort of
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like this hello is that someone trying
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to seem friendly no right so what I’m
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hoping we can get from this exercise is
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that simple polite gestures like Hello
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don’t always equal friendly can we agree
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on that and we’ve all been in a moment
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or experience in which what someone said
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was different than what was being
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communicated does that make sense to
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everyone so when I think about myself as
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a trans person I’ve been out and as an
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adult longer than I’ve been in the
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closet right I also spent a lot of my
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time talking about identity and talking
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about trans miss and I usually express
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myself in a way that’s outside typical
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gender norms so people are generally
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rarely surprised to hear me say that I’m
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trans even if they don’t quite have the
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language for it does that make sense and
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so that’s not surprising but what does
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become surprising for folks is when I
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say that I grew up in a multi-faith
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household in particular that I have a
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father who was raised Muslim and a
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mother who was raised Christian now when
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I say that people who perceive
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themselves as being in solidarity with
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the part of me that is trans immediately
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want to focus in on my father and they
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weren’t enough well what did your father
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think about you coming out and when
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folks asked me this question a few
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things kind of come up so one it’s clear
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that they don’t think it’s important to
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unpack the relationship I had with my
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non-muslim parent so I noticed that I
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noticed the places in which they want me
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to accept or reject whatever notions
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they have about who Muslim people are
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here the places where they’re not
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actually concerned about the real
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relationship I had with my father
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they’re not concerned about the standing
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breakfast date we had every Saturday
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morning and we would spend 30 days
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arguing about who got to pay he got to
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pay that day that’s why he looks so
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happy they’re not concerned about the
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fact that he was my best friend and the
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person I spent the most time talking
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about my faith and spiritual journey
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with they don’t care about the old chain
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of his that I wear around my neck with
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his name on it nah
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they want to hear a critique how do I
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know they want to hear a critique
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because when I follow up their question
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with wonderful stories about the
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relationship between my father and I
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after coming out they are always in
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shock but when they’re asking this
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question they’re very polite about it so
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should I accept the Islamophobia
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projected onto my family and my family
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dynamics simply because the asker is
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polite about it so just based off the
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title I know for some of y’all you might
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have been expecting that this was going
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to be a coming-out story well surprise
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I’ve been out for a long time and so I’m
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not invested in dissecting that part of
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my journey with you what I do want to
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talk about is the behavior of others
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when we live in our truth as trans
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people as people of color and folks from
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other targeted communities I really want
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to talk about politeness and in
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particular I want to talk about the
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untrustworthiness of polite people all
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right y’all ready for that talk y’all
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ready for that cuz we going to get into
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it all right and so when we think about
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politeness right according to the
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magical tool that is dictionary.com
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politeness is de�ned as having or
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showing behaviors that are respectful
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and/or considerate of other people
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having or showing behaviors that are
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respectful and/or considerate of other
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people now when people hear me talk
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about my family’s upbringing and
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speci�cally the religious background if
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we’re getting to that place in the story
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there’s a 99.9% chance that they already
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know my father has passed and so that
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they know that they’re potentially
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bringing up a negative experience with a
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person I love who has died right and so
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if you could imagine for a second that
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you have a dying family member and
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before consoling you someone said oh my
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goodness that’s so sad but like did they
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ever kill anyone or you
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ded great my totally go like did she
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ever take a puppy once we would think
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that question is absurd right and
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insensitive right and I thought you
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can’t talk about puppies without having
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a puppy on screen so I decided to put
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that that’s my actual puppy who’s never
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been kicked anywhere but we would think
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that question is absurd right so when
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someone is asking this question that
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they are projecting some negative pieces
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onto my family are they necessarily
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being respectful and considerate of me
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right are they being respectful and/or
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considerate of my grief no they’re
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generally being respectful and/or
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considerate of experiences and stories
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that they’ve been told about who trans
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people and Muslim people are and whether
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or not they can be the same thing or
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coexist together they’re generally being
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respectful and/or considerate of a
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system that the humanizes Muslim people
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every day and perpetuates Islamophobia
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does that make sense for y’all does that
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make sense and I’m not totally psychic
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but I’m sensing that not everyone is
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quite there with me on the politeness
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piece yet especially if you do not come
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from targeted communities that get
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interrogated at the same level that
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people like myself and other folks often
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are every day about who we are and our
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experiences it might be hard to measure
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the harm that is caused from that kind
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of framework so I’m gonna give you all
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better story right more clear story
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y’all ready for that okay some we’re
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gonna travel back in time to a few years
06:00
ago so a few years ago I was
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volunteering at a summer camp this
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summer camp was seventy percent white
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and it was happening on a college campus
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okay and so one day in particular
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there’s an event happening outside or
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inside of a building on campus and
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myself and three other black folks were
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standing outside of the building having
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a conversation about some things that
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came up in the day and so everybody else
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is inside and so within 10 to 12 minutes
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of us being outside three white police
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of�cers rushed up toward us with their
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hands on their weapons okay not yet
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drawn but making sure that we’re clear
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that they have them okay and so when the
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police of�cers that I’m perceiving to
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be in charge is looking at us and is
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about 40s or 50s and says we’ve got a
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noise complaint it was hard to �nd
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right and so this presents a cognitive
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dissonance right so how can it be that
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we are both so loud that we require
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police intervention yet so quiet that
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it’s hard to �nd us okay is anyone here
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anxious giggler anyone anxious giggle
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raise your hand really anxious giggler
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right that’s something that I do is that
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a the greatest response to stress
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no is it a human response to stress yeah
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yeah so in this moment lots of things
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are bubbling up for me especially as I’m
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seeing this juxtaposition of us as four
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black folks standing outside in
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proximity to these white police of�cers
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that are cornering us simply because of
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a perceived noise complaint or noise
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violation and so as I’m getting more
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anxious the �rst thing I can think to
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say out of my mouth is well of course
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you got a noise complaint there’s four
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black people standing outside and so the
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police of�cer in that moment he doesn’t
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just get angry he becomes anger right
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he becomes anger and so as he’s shouting
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and things are getting really real my
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spirit is kind of �oating above my body
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and I’m imagining all the different
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things and scenarios that can happen in
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this moment and as that is happening my
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friend who is a Virgo and thinks a lot
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more about what she says before she says
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it starts to be escalating the situation
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which is something she shouldn’t have to
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know how to do but she does it very well
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in that situation and so eventually the
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police of�cers leave and we go back
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inside and now we are tasked with
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explaining to a mostly white group of
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people what just happened to us and so
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as we’re talking to people a lot of
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people start crying and hugging us and
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telling us oh my goodness I can’t
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believe that happened to you I’m so
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sorry that happened to you
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which is another paradox right because
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here we were in this moment and where we
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allowed to cry no the littlest bit of
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anxiety that I showed got rained in
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really quick by the police and so camp
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ends a few months later it’s
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time to play for the next camp and so at
09:06
the time the executive director is being
09:08
very evasive about where the next camp
09:10
is gonna be then he gets to this kind of
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a critical mass point where you kind of
09:14
got to know where things are happening
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or can’t can’t happen and so eventually
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the executive director reveals well
09:21
actually we’re gonna have camp this same
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exact place we had it last year so me in
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the place that we just got held up right
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and so why was that so the executive
09:30
director who was white called up the
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police departments as well as the campus
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staff and said well you know everyone
09:38
apologized which is inaccurate because
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they did not apologize to the people
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that actually experienced the trauma
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digs they apologized to a leadership
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team and you know they were very polite
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and they were nice and the campus even
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gave us a discount to return gave us a
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discount to return right so when those
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of us that experience that pro�ling
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incident push back we were told that we
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were being irrational we were being
10:01
divisive we were being mean right and as
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a result of the fallout of that none of
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us that actually experienced that racial
10:09
pro�ling incident are part of that
10:11
organization anymore right so what was
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the function of politeness in that
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moment politeness served three major
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functions one it allowed the leadership
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team to keep their business contacts
10:23
happy right because there was no
10:25
consequences for anyone right – it
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became a �nancial endeavor right and
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there was a �nancial bene�t they
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actually traded our racial pro�ling
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incident in for a discount right thirdly
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whether intentional or unintentional it
10:42
served to weed out parts of community
10:45
that were targeted communities as part
10:47
of that organization does that make
10:48
sense and that’s something that many
10:52
organizations deal with that they’re
10:54
always wondering oh my goodness why is
10:56
there such a high overturn of this XYZ
10:59
population as part of the organization
11:01
well what stuff happened that showed
11:03
people they were unsafe was the
11:05
organization invested in politeness or
11:07
justice you’ll understand that so in
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that moment if that is what politeness
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looks like on the ground
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what is the ask of justice so what does
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the ask of justice so if we move closer
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to justice and actually I want you to
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raise your hand if you if you would
11:26
answer yes to the next question I’m
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going to ask you have you ever had a
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conversation in which someone kept doing
11:33
something that caused you harm but said
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they were trying to help you have you
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ever had a conversation in which someone
11:39
kept doing something that caused you
11:41
harm but said they were trying to help
11:42
you raise your hand if you experienced
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that okay and so you want to hear
11:47
something that’s gonna make you feel
11:48
real queasy you want to hear something
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you’ve been that person to somebody else
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and too many somebody else’s especially
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if your approach to justice is to focus
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on the ways you can’t possibly be
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invested in white supremacy that you
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can’t possibly be Islamophobic or
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xenophobic or ablest does that make
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sense for you right so we have to own
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our role in a framework that prioritizes
12:14
politeness over justice why because
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there have been some goodies that you
12:18
have been getting in exchange for your
12:20
niceties there have been goodies that
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you have been getting in strange for you
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niceties and we must be honest with that
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in order to move forward so that means
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for white folks in the room what sort of
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goodies do you get an exchange for your
12:32
politeness and niceties in the face of
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trial Macon’s black and brown people is
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it keeping a certain type of job is it
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having a bank account that looks a
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certain type of way is it getting the
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promotion on time is it being seen as
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quote-unquote everybody right what are
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the goodies you’re getting this is
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gender folks
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what sort of goodies do you get for
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being polite and nice in the face of
12:56
trauma that happens to trans people
12:58
right so is it that you get to be quirky
13:01
but not as weird as these people over
13:03
here is it again that you get to laugh
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at that joke without a conscience right
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what are the goodies for non-muslim
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people is it a false sense of safety
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what are the goodies you’re getting does
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that make sense so you must own your
13:17
role in politeness right next we must
13:21
accept that urgency is different for
13:23
everyone do you think my urgency when I
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was dealing with the police was higher
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love what was it it was high why
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I thought my life was at risk merely for
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being perceived as talking too loudly
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outside of a building on a college
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campus during the middle of the day in
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the dead of summer right do you think
13:42
the urgency of someone who is houseless
13:44
is going to be higher or lower than
13:46
someone who has a well-paying
13:47
nine-to-�ve job and owns our own home
13:50
higher as a black person if I am part of
13:53
an organization with a 95% white
13:55
leadership team and my job becomes at
13:57
risk for bringing attention to the lack
13:59
of awareness of racism and white
14:01
supremacy at that organization is my
14:04
urgency going to be higher or lower than
14:06
a white colleague that never even
14:07
considered there was a racial justice
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problem it’s going to be higher right so
14:12
accepting that the people that are nice
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and polite you want to go to a barbecue
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with on the weekend may not the people
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be the people that you want to rely on
14:18
when your life is actually at risk next
14:22
we must defer leadership so what does
14:25
that look like and what does that mean
14:26
as nice and great as you are when you’re
14:28
a kid you’re learned let one plus one
14:30
equals two you learn that two plus two
14:32
equals four
14:33
you learned subtraction division
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percentages decimals and at some point
14:37
you decided whether or not math was for
14:40
you right we never expect someone with a
14:43
kindergarten level understanding of math
14:44
to have the same conversation about math
14:46
as we do an astrophysicist
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well we consistently expect in a system
14:50
of white supremacy for white folks to
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have the same conversation about racial
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inequity that black and brown folks do
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it’s now possible we expect cisgender
14:58
men to have the same conversation about
15:00
gender inequity that we do intersex
15:02
folks trans and says women that we
15:04
expect trans men and non-binary folks to
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have it’s not possible we expect in a
15:08
system as it is right now for folks that
15:11
have access to wealth and the same
15:13
conversation about economic injustice as
15:15
someone that can’t afford to pay their
15:16
rent and for a bottle of milk in the
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same pay period it’s not possible that
15:21
makes sense for you so it must defer
15:23
leadership to people who are actually
15:24
experts on the devastation that is
15:26
happening on the ground next we must
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redistribute resources we must
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redistribute resources why because
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politeness is a tool used to hoard
15:34
resources from targeted and vulnerable
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communities politeness is a tool used to
15:39
hoard resources from targeted and
15:41
vulnerable communities and blame them
15:42
for their own oppression you all see
15:45
that works do you all see how that works
15:47
yes so when I’m talking about Reda
15:50
street or psa’s I’m talking about things
15:51
like land space credentials titles money
15:55
that scares people but you know what you
15:58
cannot smile white supremacy away your
16:01
dentist is not that good right you must
16:05
do actual work and be invested in
16:06
actually giving resources back to
16:08
communities that made those resources
16:10
possible and next how many of y’all by a
16:16
show of hands perceive yourself to be
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someone who is invested in social
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justice raise your hand if you see
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yourself as someones invest in social
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justice raise your hand high Ray J and I
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be proud of that be proud of it okay so
16:26
but I think about having the support of
16:28
sir so that is what I call my father not
16:30
because he made me but because that is
16:32
what I named him out of affection
16:34
because I loved this man when Sir was
16:39
born in 1943 in Virginia and his one of
16:43
his favorite moments was actually once
16:45
being a security guard from Malcolm X
16:46
back in the day and I know but he didn’t
16:49
know much about queerness or analyst
16:50
before I came out but you know what I
16:52
saw I saw him allow himself to be humble
16:55
enough to be transformed by my
16:57
experience as what was happening for me
16:58
on the ground and I often wondered what
17:00
would it take for people of power of
17:02
privilege of access to be transformed by
17:05
the experiences of those dealing with
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on a large-scale basis every day right
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so again for those y’all that said that
17:14
you had your hands up that you said you
17:15
were invested in social justice raise
17:16
your hands again raise your hands again
17:18
keep them high keep going high on this
17:20
day keep it you keep your hands up
17:22
GPIO say take him down if he ends up on
17:24
this day I dare you to be more invested
17:28
in social justice than you are in
17:30
politeness I dare you to be more
17:32
invested in justice than what’s in your
17:33
bank accounts I dare you to be more
17:36
invested in justice than your business
17:38
contacts I dare you to be more invested
17:41
in justice than your ego and being seen
17:43
as a nice person and more than all of
17:45
that I dare you to be de�antly
17:48
righteously and necessarily impolite in
17:51
the face of other people’s oppression or
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at least get out of the way for folks
17:56
that must be in order to survive
17:59
[Applause]
18:10
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About J Mase III
J Mase III is a Black/trans/queer poet & educator based in Seattle, by way of Philly. He is
the author of “If I Should Die Under the Knife, Tell my Kidney I was the Fiercest Poet
Around”, as well as And Then I Got Fired: One Transqueer’s Re�ections on Grief,
Unemployment, and Inappropriate Jokes about Death.
As an educator, J Mase has worked with thousands of community members in the US, the UK, and Canada
on the needs of LGBTQIA youth and adults in spaces such as K-12 schools, universities, faith communities,
and restricted care facilities among others.
He is the founder of awQward, the �rst ever trans and queer people of color speci�c talent agency.
Currently, he is co-editing The #BlackTransPrayerBook with awQward artist Lady Dane Figueroa Edidi.
As a performer, he has shared stages with world renowned artists like Chuck D and the Indigo Girls. His
work and musings have been featured on MSNBC, NBC OUT, Essence Live, Atlanta Black Star, GO
Magazine, Believe Out Loud, Everyday Feminism, Black Girl Dangerous, Upworthy, the New York Times,
Buzzfeed, the Root, the Huf�ngton Post and more.
Check him out on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and of course at www.awQwardtalent.com!
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